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    Adam Davis
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    Default Multiple Pages in a Layout

    Hi,

    I am interested in the Multiple Pages in a Layout functionality.
    I have only dipped my toe in this area so have a basic question regarding how it is put together.

    It would seem that the creation of multiple pages in a layout is only accessible through the Data Driven Pages Wizard?
    I would have thought that the functionality would be...
    User is in layout. User right-clicks chooses New... Page... User sets up page bla bla bla.
    Then the purpose of the automation would be to power this functionality to simply make it easier IF the user wanted to base it on a feature class / areas etc

    Can anyone clarify what the functionality is?

    Cheers,

    Adam

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    Adam,

    The 9.4 data driven pages implementation is not what I would describe as multiple layouts. You cannot, for example, add a second page, paste in a unique set of layout elements, and create a "page 2" that is unique from "page 1". The implementation is really a group of functions that automate data frame map extents, and change certain text elements on the fly. Map printing and exporting have also been enhanced to handle true multipage print spooling and multipage PDF export.

    You can read more about the implementation and concepts in the help topic called "What are Data Driven Pages?"

    Part of that help topic are the following statements about building full map books with ArcGIS 9.4
    Many projects require multiple page sizes, multiple index layers, or non-map information on some pages. For example, a state atlas may contain a title page, an overview map page, and a page for each county in the state.

    Additionally, some counties that are home to large cities also contain inset maps. The atlas can be built using separate MXDs for overview map page, pages containing the inset maps and the remaining maps. Map scripting with Python can be used to be used to aggregate these pages into a single, multi-page PDF document.
    We plan on uploading some sample map book creation Python scripts to the Geoprocessing Gallery sometime soon.

    Sincerely,
    Michael Grossman

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    Hi Michael,

    Thanks for the clarification. I think I got confused as I looked at it from a Multiple Layout perspective as that is what I 'wanted' to see - my fault.

    I look forward to giving it try and see what it can do.

    Due to this functionality are Multiple Layouts off the agenda for a future version or are Data-Driven Pages a stop gap?

    Thanks again,

    Adam

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    Default Me too!

    I would be really interested in a true "Multiple Layouts" functionality as well. I thought the same thing when i read about the data driven layouts and was disappointed to see that you can't have multiple layouts. That would be a killer feature that i would use all the time!

    John

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    I would also be interested in being able to toggle between multiple layouts.

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    Thumbs up Tips and tricks

    Michael -

    How about a tips and tricks blog entry from your team for data driven pages and the like.
    Regards,

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    Default Multiple Layouts!

    Our goal in 9.4 was two-fold:
    1) deliver a set of tools for building complete map books
    2) provide an automated way to update layouts, data frames, and map documents
    Many people express a need for mulitple layouts because they want to achieve one of those two things. There are also other reasons people want multiple layouts. The 9.4 beta period will be very important for us, as we need to understand which problems 9.4 has actually solved, and which workflows still need solutions.

    I think our future plans regarding multiple layouts will should be made with unfulfilled user requirements in mind. For now, our solution is what you see in 9.4, focused on satisifying the above two requirements. In the future, we can consider full multiple layouts but should do so with a set real world goals. It would be great for us if you could provide additional details about multiple layout workflows. I think that some needs could be covered with the new 9.4 python scripting experience. Other requirements should go on ESRI's list for a future release.

    Thanks,
    Michael

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    Talking So, there is an ESRI List

    So, it seems like it is not set in stone, and there is room for improvement especially with your use of dyanmic text. What is your recommendation for multiple titles in a series of maps that participate as part of an overall product. The ability to have one mxd, with mutiple titles. Can we do that today with the solutions that you have provided in 9.4. Side note: When are we going to be able to store maps in a database.
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    Smile Data driven layouts

    It looks great, I have several current applications that it will be very useful:

    1. Mailmerge of a map into a letter.

    At the moment I have a multi-stage process with several packages, especially Arcplot. Merging a map into Word is a nightmare, even worse now that they have disabled emf insertion blocks that I used for the map.

    I think I can see how to make up a letter with a different address, name and map for each recipient. Just have to work out how to add the table that goes with the map for those people who can't read a map.
    http://www.ollivier.co.nz/publicatio...5/redcross.htm

    2. A book of trail maps.
    I like the idea of inserting a cover, contents and other non-map pages, but the help is a little vague on how I do that. Unless its a "pseudo map" composed of graphics and images?

    3. I really like the dynamic selections to limit the layer contents. This is the challenge I had recently with some forest maps. I could do this with the NW mapbook, (great little variation on mapbook from the NorthWest office now unsupported) but it was too hard to keep working and I could not understand the vb6 and Map Objects well enough to hack it.

    I would have liked to be able to control the page orientation so that I could output landscape or portrait, but these can be split into separate runs.

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    Thumbs up Re: Data driven layouts

    After a bit of practice I have now completely replicated a DSMapBook application, plus a lot more. So rest easy all you DSMapBook enthusiasts. Some of the functions are still being worked on and renamed after the Pre-release, so there is a bit more to come.

    The basic idea is that the "mapbook" is the output document, not the project MXD. So you can load a PDF title page first, then export a series of PDF maps, each with its own MXD with different styles and page layouts, and then the trailing pages. Finally close the output document. Being able to assemble the pages from PDF individual pages avoids having to post process individual maps.

    There are additional tools to create strip map and grid indexes, and calculate adjacent sheet names, convergence and other settings needed for a series.

    Programming using the high level functions is a much easier than hacking the VB6 code for me because I have avoided using VB. At the same time the available tools are much more powerful that DSMapBook ever was. Especially the dynamic text to allow custom dynamic labels, images apart from being able to switch different layers on for each map. Not the same options form, you have to write a Python script for some things but in the end much more powerful and extendable.

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    Lightbulb Re: Beta 10: Multiple Pages in a Layout

    I also got the impression at the What's new in 10 event hosted by ESRI that you could group multiple figures into one file. In my group we use ArcMap to make all of our figures for groundwater modeling reports. When we are done we can have 35 .mxd files in our project folder. After one of my coworkers mentioned it at a meeting yesterday (works in a different group) I decided to check it out. I was very disappointed to learn that this multiple feature created a grid of the map area and created maps for each section of the grid. We have no use for that at all.

    Also at the Whats new in 10 event the ESRI people said they watched users to come up with this new version. You really need to watch members of my unit because a lot of the changes we have found so far either don't help us or make things harder. We don't digitize streets and roads and sewer lines. We don't care about topology. We use ArcMap for data analysis and figure making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lad-water View Post
    I also got the impression at the What's new in 10 event hosted by ESRI that you could group multiple figures into one file. In my group we use ArcMap to make all of our figures for groundwater modeling reports. When we are done we can have 35 .mxd files in our project folder. After one of my coworkers mentioned it at a meeting yesterday (works in a different group) I decided to check it out. I was very disappointed to learn that this multiple feature created a grid of the map area and created maps for each section of the grid. We have no use for that at all.

    Also at the Whats new in 10 event the ESRI people said they watched users to come up with this new version. You really need to watch members of my unit because a lot of the changes we have found so far either don't help us or make things harder. We don't digitize streets and roads and sewer lines. We don't care about topology. We use ArcMap for data analysis and figure making.
    I agree 100% I would really like to be able to have one document and be able to set up layouts in multiple sizes for reports to construction plans. I have not spent much time with python but does anyone know if you can accomplish this with that program.

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    Default Re: Beta 10: Multiple Pages in a Layout

    How many different layouts do you need for one report?
    I can think of two. Portrait and landscape.
    I know everyone expects to have multiple layouts like ArcView 3, but there are equivalents.
    You can export pages into one print document at the end.
    Most of the variations can be handled with dynamic text element in an index map without programming and you can export all the pages into a single PDF document.

    If you want more variations than the basic dynamic pages you can program the layout.
    Within a layout you can adjust all the major elements, change text and move spare elements stored off the page on to the visible printable area with a bit of python. You can have multiple data frames in one layout.

    I can't see any issues with your workflow, but it is a bit sketchy. I suggest that you may need to just rebuild it and automate some parts a bit better and you surely would be able to avoid 35 MXDs. I have never had more that two. Maybe post a thumbnail of an example map/diagram?
    Last edited by kimo; 02-12-2011 at 02:34 AM.

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    Question Re: Multiple Layouts!

    Quote Originally Posted by mgrossman View Post
    Our goal in 9.4 was two-fold:
    1) deliver a set of tools for building complete map books
    2) provide an automated way to update layouts, data frames, and map documents
    Many people express a need for mulitple layouts because they want to achieve one of those two things. There are also other reasons people want multiple layouts. The 9.4 beta period will be very important for us, as we need to understand which problems 9.4 has actually solved, and which workflows still need solutions.

    I think our future plans regarding multiple layouts will should be made with unfulfilled user requirements in mind. For now, our solution is what you see in 9.4, focused on satisifying the above two requirements. In the future, we can consider full multiple layouts but should do so with a set real world goals. It would be great for us if you could provide additional details about multiple layout workflows. I think that some needs could be covered with the new 9.4 python scripting experience. Other requirements should go on ESRI's list for a future release.

    Thanks,
    Michael
    I'm really disparate that ArcGIS is not effectively responding to the very basic needs of the users!

    The ArcGIS users need to install so many other tools (such as: XTools Pro 7.0 En, ETGeoWizards, ETGeoTools, MapLogic Layout Manager, etc.) to do some very BASIC issues

    I'm wondering why the developers at ESRI don't take these very BASIC needs into consideration!!!!


    As for the multiple layouts, i got MapLogic Layout Manager but still couldn't print multiple layouts at a time!

    How can ArcGIS stop this tragedy?

    Thank you,

    regards,

    Jamal
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    Default Re: Beta 10: Multiple Pages in a Layout

    The arcpy.mapping script environment can accomplish many of these tasks.

    Take some time to review the help and Resource Center. Here is a good starting point:

    http://help.arcgis.com/en/arcgisdesk...0000032000000/

    Jeff

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    Question Re: Beta 10: Multiple Pages in a Layout

    Quote Originally Posted by jbarrette View Post
    The arcpy.mapping script environment can accomplish many of these tasks.

    Take some time to review the help and Resource Center. Here is a good starting point:

    http://help.arcgis.com/en/arcgisdesk...0000032000000/

    Jeff
    Thank you Jeffrey for the answer.

    Unfortunately, there is no any integrated example in the help that shows input and the result. No screen shots that show what we have and where we are going...!


    I'm not sure if there is some ready code that make it a bit easier to print multiple layouts...! do i need to be expert to do this very simple basic issue? and how come it is available for the end user by MapLogic (attached)?

    How can i obtain an integrated code that has the features of MapLogic?

    regards

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